Nursing and Healthcare Administration MSN and Health Leadership MSN Webinar

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Great OK Oh Ohio. Wow OK all over the country. Well welcome everyone. My name is Jamie Bergstein. I'm the associate director of graduate admissions and marketing here at the School of Nursing. I'm also joined today by Suqeim and Megan Fitzpatrick of the nursing and Healthcare administration and health leadership programs. Just a few housekeeping tips before we get started with the the web and are we recommend using.

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So now I will hand it over to Sue and Megan.

Hello all, my name is Doctor Suqeim and I am the program director for these two graduate programs and as well as Megan Fitzpatrick who you will hear from shortly. Who's our associate program director?

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So because we don't have the opportunity to do the you know, introduce ourselves and go around the room sort of approach. What we'd like to do is provide you with an overview of these programs, but as Jamie said, we will welcome questions that will answer at the end of the program. But if something occurs to you while we're presenting information about it, feel free to already ask questions in the chat, and then we'll make sure that either for seeing them along the way will address them.

Otherwise, as we get to the end of our program, will slog through those questions in the chat section.

Alright, a little bit about ourselves so you know a little bit about who you might be studying with. I am, as I mentioned, the program director for these two programs and have been with these programs since about 2006.

I also MD director of our newly launched Doctor of nursing practice and executive leadership as well. Prior to working with these programs at Penn, I've taught many years at both the graduate and undergraduate levels. Prior, an muscle vice chair in our Department prior to coming to Penn, I spent about 13 years at Johns Hopkins Hospital.

Where I worked initially in as a clinician then I got my Masters in nursing and Healthcare administration from the University of Maryland and then I became a nurse, manager of one unit and then 2 units and then it became the assistant director and director in the Department of Medicine at Hopkins. When I and then I had a joint appointment in Hopkins University and I taught leadership course work there as well. When I did move over to Penn. I actually got a second Masters degree as a.

Adult German to logic primary care nurse practitioner and practiced a few years on the side while I was continuing to teach full time.

And I think this really the marriage of my background in acute care and then further understanding primary care delivery. I think early whetted my appetite to go back to school again, and I got my PhD at Penn and with a focus on reemission risk for particularly older adults.

I am also a senior fellow at the labor Leonard Davis Institute of Health economics here at Penn.

So now Megan would you like to talk a little bit about your background?

Sure, Hi everybody, so glad to have you all with us today. My name is Megan Fitzpatrick, I'm associate program director for both of these programs and I work very closely with Sue. So my background is, I'm actually graduate of this nursing and Healthcare administration program here at Penn. And then I worked as a nurse manager. Will first, an assistant nurse manager, the nurse manager?

And then I managed a couple units and did some other administrative roles at Penn Medicine. I did that for about 10 years. During that time I started doing some guest lectures at the School of Nursing with Sue and getting a little bit more involved. Gradually took on a part time role in addition to my rolls at Penn Medicine and then eventually in 2018 came over to the School of Nursing full time. So I teach several of the courses in.

The nursing and Healthcare administration and Health Leadership Program. I've spoken to some of you. I see some familiar names via email and look forward to chatting a bit today, so I guess we can just jump right in. I will start by talking a little bit about the nursing and Healthcare administration program so the nursing and Healthcare administration program. We're very proud. It's in the top five ranking for the US news and World Report and has been for several years.

The tree credit units we have the CU method, which is a little different. So 14 1/2 see use that includes eleven required courses plus three business electives. We can certainly talk to you about all the different options for those electives, and then one administrative practicum administrative practicum, as well as more structured plan of study is what really sets the nursing and Healthcare administration program part the administration.

Administrative practicum is a 240 hour immersion experience where you are working on a large scale project or implementation with the nursing leader. It gives you a set of skills, something to put on your resume and some real life experience. Working in Healthcare Administration. This program, as well as the health leadership program are both available for full or part time. Plans of study and you're able to start the many semester.

So just getting into the curriculum a little bit more of the nursing and Healthcare administration program. So the required coursework. And as I said, this program is a little bit more structured. Sue will talk about the health leadership program in a moment, which has a little bit more flexibility, but the nursing and Healthcare administration program is very structured to give you that information that you need to work in the field. So you'll take a leadership course, a policy course, research a systems, thinking in patient safety course.

As well as the quality improvement in Healthcare course, both those courses are offered interdisciplinary, where you'll be in class with physicians, which is a really unique experience that we're very proud of. The health care negotiations class, which is a wonderful, wonderful class taught by a colleague of ours from the Wharton School. You'll take human resources, class and applied healthcare, accounting, class and economics, class and informatics class, and then an advanced roles.

Last usually taking tored the end of your plan of study. That really is an overview. The practicum, as I mentioned, there's a lot of different opportunities depending on your interests. Alot of our students do them in patient safety quality. We've had students work at Penn Medicine's Innovation Center, which is a really unique experience, and we've had some students working consulting as well. We have a internship with Pricewaterhouse Coopers.

Which is a really unique opportunity for people interested in consulting. And we've we've also had students work with some other consulting firms as well.

And then finally, as I'd mentioned, there are some electives that you can take in this plan of study. Three CE use, which is 3 courses, can actually be put together to come out of the program with a minor, or can be taken in different areas that you have interest in.

So the health leadership program is a program that we designed because we recognize that leadership can take on many forms. So the nursing and Healthcare administration program is really geared for those that are interested in some sort of operations management or large scale project management or healthcare consulting. So, for example, if you said to us, I know that I want to be a nurse manager, or I know that I want to someday be a chief nursing officer. Or I know that I want to manage people.

Then the nursing and Healthcare administration program would be a great choice for that. If you came in saying, not sure if I want to manage people, but I know that I want to have a really strong foundation in, let's say, quality improvement and patient safety.

And that I would like to or become an informatics cyst or work in Healthcare consulting. Then we might talk with you a little bit more about whether the nursing and Healthcare Administration Program or the health leadership program might best meet your meet your needs, as well as other kinds of foci for leadership. Let me also add on to what Megan said about the practicum, which is sort of this capstone experience. Immersion experience for you and the Healthcare administration program if you don't yet have leadership experience.

You want to work in operations management. Then it can be a perfect vehicle and can lead to job opportunities. So often we work with you based on your interest and then will place you accordingly with a healthcare leader.

Which can even be in your place of employment. However, usually in a different Department so that it's a unique experience for you. And as I said, if you you know before accordingly that it often leads to a job opportunity, so something to bear in mind. The health leadership program is purposefully designed to be a more open curriculum. So what we try to do is focus on what are the core competencies that you need in order to develop as a leader.

And then, as I said, this can take on many different forms and so we allow you then to use electives, both taken inside the School of Nursing or outside the School of Nursing in any of the other graduate schools on campus in order to inform your career interest. And I'll give you some examples of what they may look like shortly. Again, it's you can pursue either full or part time study, and you'll note that this program is 2 1/2. See use or three courses shorter.

Then the nursing and Healthcare Administration Program.

As you can also possibly remember that these court there are some core courses that will overlap with the nursing and health care ministration program. So both majors take the leadership development course, health policy, nursing research systems, thinking in patient safety, which I Co teach. By the way, with a physician, that's the course that's offered in the interprofessional format. Megan Co. Teaches leadership with leader from the health care system here at Penn.

And then begging and I Co teach the advance rolls course in that course by the way we expose you to a variety of leaders from all different facets of health care and so you get to hear from chief nursing officers and a panel of healthcare consultants and those that are leading let's say education or professional development or quality improvement, or project management like being a magnet coordinator or as I mentioned and informatics cyst, etc. And we even have those that have started their own companies and so we expose you to.

A variety of ways that you can steer your karere.

And then I mentioned you have these electives that you couldn't use.

So what, how can you some of those electives?

So particularly those that are in the nursing and Healthcare administration program, Wharton has an MBA, obviously has an MBA program, but they have a healthcare management track and so students really from both majors can take coursework in in those in those in that program. We also have the Perelman School of Medicine offers a healthcare innovation certificate and they have on line course offerings.

That you can avail of an pursue a certificate.

There's also R lawschool. I'm going to talk a little bit about some of our dual degree options too, but we also have a certificate in healthcare law that you can take all by the way, by using your electives, so not extending your plan of study. We have a minor and Informatics. We have a minor in what we call the transformative nursing education, but this is for those that are interested in professional development or education.

On this, either on the academic or service side.

We with the school of Arts and Sciences, we have a joint organizational dynamics and Healthcare Minor, so this is kind of how organizations behave and how to USS culture etc. And by the way, depending on the miners that you choose, you could for again the 12 to use attain to minors. So sometimes nurse students will marry again the, let's say, the transformative nursing education minor with organizational dynamics because.

Lot of teaching efforts are also aimed at changing and improving organizational behavior. There is a minor in nursing and health care ministration, so if you decided you wanted to understand a little bit more about operations but not necessarily entirely, you can take the minor. There's a quality improvement in safety processes. Minor again, this is sometimes married with organizational dynamics or with the transformative nursing education minor.

We also have an adult on College in leadership minor. So for those of you interested in leadership in this field, you would instead of completing a clinical inversion, you would actually immerse with a leader in the oncology in an oncology setting an we have a global health minor.

So I hinted at dual degree programs, so our Masters and Health Leadership Program boasts the most dual degree offerings at the School of Nursing. And so we have developed an MSN in health leadership with a master in public health.

A master of Bioethics, Emaster, and this is a new Masters degree in healthcare quality and safety. Offered out of the School of Medicine or a master in law instead of a JD, it's a Masters degree in law.

So if you recall, the MSN and health leadership is 12 C, use the joint degree with MPH would be only four courses more 16C use or the remaining 3 dual degree programs would only be 2 courses more, and that's because some of our courses are crosslisted, meaning that their simultaneously taught by, let's say I mentioned I Co. Teach the systems thinking in patient safety course with the physician. It's Cross listed in the School of Medicine.

So essentially it's double counting.

For both Masters degree programs as well as because of all the electives, it's a really efficient way to be able to attain a dual degree should that be of interest to you all highly a couple of points about a few of those joint degrees, so if you were interested in the MPH coupled with the MSN program, then you would apply to the MSN program 1st and then we would have you separately applied to the MPH program.

But they share our many of our the data that you already used and and submitted during your initial application process and then we jointly work together to develop your plan of study of which you take 6 courses in the School of Nursing and 10 in public health. The MPH culminates with two capstone courses as well.

As I mentioned, we have this newly developed MSN Masters in health quality and safety. Again separate application processes. But again you applied to the nursing school 1st and then we help you to apply to the School of Medicine. I actually sit on there.

Executive board and so I'm part of the dual application review process and you then take health eight health leadership courses and six Masters in health, clotting and safety courses. Again, this program has two capstone courses, so you get to Immerse in the field and work on projects. By the way, in the MH QS program. These projects can be in your place of employment quality improvement projects. Here's a little bit just to whet your appetite. What the MSN and MHQS.

Curricula would look like you would take all your core courses as I mentioned and leadership. I highlighted that the systems thinking of patient safety class is then duly counted. You would then add three more electives taken out the School of Nursing because we've jointly the School of Medicine has accepted these courses or their offered Dooley between both schools. So you would take health care quality improvement. You would complete one capstone course with us and you take a design thinking course as an elective.

And then you take 7 general. We would consider them electives on our end, but their requisite courses for the MHQS. There's a second capstone. You take a course in quality improvement measurement. There's an introduction course to health care, quality, safety, and value. There's a course in learning health systems, coaching, quality improvement.

And you would also take our healthcare accounting course, which actually informs how we measure the value of quality. Many of these courses you would be taking with not only physicians, so primarily nurses and physicians. The physicians are usually at the fellow and attending level, but it also could be other from other healthcare disciplines i.e. Pharmacists, social workers etc.

I mentioned the MSN and MBA program so you can see again separate application process. Apply first to the MSN program and then will guide you through the rest of the process.

As well.

The master en la same approach and you can see that. Then you take 8 courses with us and six courses at the law school.

Mega would you like to review who some of the other program faculty are? In addition to Megan eyes? So Megan I teach in the program you'll see one of us at least every semester.

And then we have other laudable faculty.

Yeah, and something that we really are proud of in our program is bringing in experts to teach their content that they work in Excel in an they know like the back of their hand. And so we have a really great group of course and program faculty so Glenn fear is a CPA with many years of accounting experience. He works for the Federal Reserve and he teaches our economics.

And accounting worse, I actually teach in the accounting course with him, and so he approaches the basics of finance accounting.

I sort of then bring in the content from an acute care environment or an ambulatory care environment. St crumbs and I had mentioned in negotiations class earlier. She is professor over at the Wharton School where she teaches a negotiations class that was just such a popular electives who was able to bring her over to the School of Nursing to teach it specifically for our students.

Jen Myers is a physician at Penn Medicine who teaches Co, teaches. The quality course has a lot of experience working as a patient safety officer and working on quality initiatives in the health system.

Stephen Oliver is a consultant Anna Human Resource Professional who teaches RH, our class. He also get does some guest lectures in other courses on strategic planning, which is really.

At an area he excels in as well as emotional intelligence. And then Kathy Shaco teaches with Sue in the safety course and she is a physician at Children's Hospital Philadelphia right next door to pen where she works in quality and patient safety.

So a little bit about where graduates work. An this list is certainly not inclusive of all the amazing things are graduates do, but some of the things they do, our operations, management in either an acute care setting or an ambulatory setting. Healthcare consulting, as we mentioned, we have many students that go into that area, some that plan that from the start, others that really develop an interest as they are in the program.

Nursing education and professional development. One of our very popular certificate programs is in education. Project management is an area that we expose you to a bit throughout the program because it is really a set of skills that you use in a lot of different roles. But we do see some students go directly into project management or sometimes as it also lists informatics where they are doing some aspect of project management.

We see some nonprofit leadership, some quality or patient safety manager roles, and some health policy advocacy. But really, as I said, This is an inclusive of all of the things are graduates do.

So a little bit about why Penn Nursing. I think there's a lot of wonderful reasons, especially as a graduate of the program, but I think we are constantly developing new courses and updating our curriculum. As Sue mentioned, we have a new dual degree program and we're always sort of looking at what our students want. What are the skill sets that they need to be leaders in healthcare and adapting our coursework?

An interprofessional learning environment. As we mentioned the expert faculty that I sort of went through, but also when you're taking those elective courses, you're getting experts in all different fields. Whether you choose to take your electives within the School of Nursing or elsewhere on campus.

Very individualized advising, so either sewer. I would be your program advisor and sort of thinking along this train of thought. I think sometimes this can be an overwhelming day where you hear about all the different ways you can utilize those electives. The miners you hear about the dual degrees, so just know that going into it you don't necessarily have to know how utilized them, and that's where we come in as your advisors.

We can talk to you about your interest in your career goals and then sort of help you decide what plan of study works best for you. We do have a very small class sizes, especially within the core courses for both of the programs alumni outreach, so we have a lot of amazing alumni that work in all different fields within healthcare. We bring so many of them back to guest lecture in our courses we interview them. We connect you with them are students.

Do the administrative practicum with them and we really have connections throughout.

You know many different health systems, many different roles, and were able to connect our students with our alumni. And finally, when you choose to go to Penn Nursing, you get the resources of Penn's campus as a whole, and we're certainly happy to kind of point you in the right direction when you need assistance with something.

I'll add Megan that the way we offer our courses so we're not a totally on line program. We, I would say, offer courses in a hybrid fashion in that you know we will have some classes on line and then bring you back in person to really dive into that and do something interactive in nature.

And we also offer. Usually classes are once a week an we do position courses back to back so that if you were traveling, let's say from New York or Princeton or other areas in New Jersey that we often have students that extend from New York to DC that you could come up and take two courses in really in eight hour period of time. So you'd come up once a week and you can turn around and go right back it's.

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So often we do have commuting students, but we are not an on line program, which are students actually, really appreciate. They come to Penn because we offer you that opportunity to really interact in person and to have this interprofessional learning environment and to avail of courses from across the campus. I'll also add that our graduates are highly sought after. They're eminently employable.

I like to boast that pretty much all the quality improvement directors and managers and safety officers in the much of Penn Medicine or our graduates every intern that price Waterhouse Cooper has accepted. They went on to hire them and bring them into the organization. We have lots of professional development specialists across many Health Systems. An as I said, we've got alumni all over the world to really give back to this program, which we are very grateful for, an.

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OK, thank you both. I just wanted to wear some quick admissions information so if you are currently not a nurse Ann, you're interested in the accelerated BSN program. That deadline is October 15th 2020. You can also apply to an MSN program at the same time. Same deadline. You don't have to apply to an MSN program at the same time.

You can just apply to the accelerated BSN an while your current student. You can then apply to an MSN program so don't feel that you have to do the BSN MSN degree just yet. That follows a traditional application process so everyone will hear back in mid February. If you're currently in nursing school or you are working as a nurse an applying to the MSN programs, we have a deadline driven process that is based.

On when you would potentially enroll, so the earliest you could apply for is spring. That deadline is October 15th, 2020 as well, and the latest you'll hear back is mid December. If you're interested in full time enrollment, that deadline is November 2nd, 2020, and if you are applying for full time summer, you'll hear back by mid February. If you're applying for full time fall, you'll hear back by mid April.

Ann, if you're not interested in enrolling until summer or fall for part time, you don't need to apply until March 15th, 2021, and you'll hear back from late April to mid may. If anyone listening in is a current Penn BSN or a BSN student applying for sub matriculation. If you're senior you need to apply by November 2nd and if you're in a BS BSN student or junior.

You need to apply by April 1st. So far MSN programs there is one deadline for the involvement you're applying for, but then we have a rolling decision process, so you might be applying with colleagues or classmates you might hear back two weeks after the deadline. You may not hear back for a month after the deadline, so don't worry if someone hears back before you. We review them in priority of one you are enrolling.

I also want to highlight some additional webinars coming up. We understand you might be interested in other programs. Unfortunately, we cannot meet in person for an open house, so we're hosting webinars throughout the fall. We do have program specific webinars as well as general admissions webinars if anyone is interested in the accelerated programs, we are scheduling more information sessions there about.

99% confirmed and they'll happen in mid September, so just check back on our website. All webinars will be recorded and when you receive the link to this recording, you'll also receive the link to all recordings so you can always go back to that.

Link to view older presentations. So now we will take your questions. So if you want to type in the chat box we will answer them.

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Can I mention one other thing Jamie and that is that the both the nursing and health care ministration and health leadership programs. You could start any term so you could start either in the spring, the summer, or the fall. So just to bear that in mind, it's not like you have to wait and start in the fall to start taking coursework. The other thing I would mention that once you apply and your application is reviewed and we offer you, then an interview.

During that interview, we really get very granular about what your interests are, and then we guide you as to a preliminary plan of study. Most plans of studies or change because life changes, right? Or your interest changes as you get exposed to different coursework, not unusual. And that's why Megan and I are very involved in advising you so that you know what electives to take. We have a good repor with a number of the other schools across campus, and so we keep on.

Abreast of what a new electives they're offering, and Ann are able to guide you on what courses to take. Alright, so I see that Marcus has a question about his MBA and maybe transferring in a couple of credits. Yes, we do review a couple of transfer courses so courses taken at the graduate level. There is a process of which after you are accepted into the program, you submit syllabi.

And depending on whether it's substituting a requisite course, like accounting and economics, then we would have that professor review the content, and if in fact it is meeting there.

Transfer criteria, then we would accept as I said, up to two C use. So if you were interested in MSN ML program.

Which I see that you might be then that could potentially shorten that program by a couple of CU's.

Um?

But still to see use shorter, potentially if you're transferring in credits.

And you can do. You can do them with the healthcare administration degree. It will just be a bit longer.

Jamie, do you wanna take the question from Kimberly about yeah.

Sure, Yep, so the question is When would the BSN, MSN program begin? The accelerated BSN program begins every June and it is 18 months long so you would finish the next December. So if you start.

June 2021 you finished December 2022 and then you actually have five year. You have to finish your MSN program within five years of graduating from the BSN program so you can go and work in between the BSN and MSN which is a great option because we save your spot so you could start it immediately after. Or you can go take a break in work so it.

So the BSN portion is 18 months on the MSN. It really depends on your plan of study.

I'll add that the advantage of either the BSN MSN program or sub matriculate ING while you're in the BSN program is that you then could take electives or so all undergraduates also take a research course that is actually at the graduate level accepted for graduate credit.

And then all undergraduates take a policy course, but you would then if you were submit regulated at our or already matriculate in the MSN program, you would take a ticket at the grad level, and then you could take one of your electives. Also, at the graduate level. So essentially you will have completed three courses of your MSN program while an undergraduate.

OK, how long are the typical terms Helene there about 14 weeks in length?

So a Sept and let's say the very very end of August actually till the beginning of December would be the fall term.

The summer term is mid made till the beginning of August and the spring term is mid January till the end of April.

And we run all year round at the graduate level.

There's another question about the BSN GPA and what a typical applicant looks like. We should mention that there is a GRGRE waiver if you have a BSN GPA of 3.2 or higher and years of working as an RN is already. I would say all over the map.

That we have students that go right from their back Bachelor Baccalaureate degree right into their Masters program without gaining experience. At first I've seen nurses be highly successful in doing that depending on what their interests are.

Or they go work for a few years and then decide to, while concurrently working, for example, to pursue part time study with us, and then we work with you based on your schedule, etc on developing a plan of study that's attainable for you. So I would say average average. I don't know somewhere between 3 to 8 years of working experience as a nurse. Something like that maybe even 2 to 8.

I'd say, but it, you know absolutely be outliers. We've had nurses that have had 20 years experience plus coming to study with us.

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I just want to add that we have a holistic admissions process, so there aside from the jirari waiver, there are really no minimums that we're looking for an we really taking into account all aspects of your application process so.

I wouldn't be discouraged if you have, you know, I think the average GPA for all programs is around a 3.5, but I I'm not. I wouldn't discourage anyone from applying if they had a lower GPA than that.

Excellent point and as I mentioned we interview all our candidates so we really read your essays closely and we then interview you and get to learn a lot about you. And of course read your letters of recommendation and the like so we take every aspect of your application seriously.

Miriam has a question. I think we answered Michelle's so Miriam has questioned about years of work experience for the MSN MBA program. I didn't mention that program as one of our dual degree offerings really in any detail.

In that, we've actually had no one actually complete that dual degree program, and here's why.

One you take coursework in the healthcare, you can avail of course work in the healthcare management track of Wharton's MBA program and many, many of our students then decide that that's where they want to leave it. They actually love their coursework, but they recognize through their practicum or whatever they are already getting hired and so the difficulty of our Wharton MBA program is. It's a separate application process.

You wouldn't even apply to it until you're at the end of the MSN program, because you would apply before you took your electives there. However, it's only a full time program and only offered in person, so it would mean that you really, you know, most of our students are part time students and working full time.

I'm most decide after completing three years or part time course work that they are not interested in then applying for Wharton's full time MBA program. So that's just I'm being very transparent that that's been our experience.

So I wouldn't say any years of work experience are requisite for the I'd say couple of years for the MBA program.

Tops.

I see Jennifer's question about doing the nursing Healthcare Administration minor. If you were in an NP program, so we see a lot of students do this. I think it's a really good option for a minor and the students tend to love it, so you would not need to apply. But I would say once you're interviewing in the NP program, you could certainly mention your interests. And then once you're accepted.

You could reach out to Sue and I and we can talk to you about that minor, which is 3 courses.

Leadership course our HR course and our accounting and business planning course.

Jamie, do you wanna take Alana's question?

So the question is, is it typical to go straight through to a BSN MSN program after graduating from a liberal arts school? Or is it recommended to take time off in between? So I highly recommend you attend one of the webinars in September when they are scrolled to learn more about what that program is looking for. We do have a number of people who go straight through after their undergrad.

We encourage work experience it only. It makes you a stronger applicant and it certainly can positively influence your time in the classroom. In Clinicals we do understand that's not an option for anyone or excuse me for everyone. Excuse me. So we also look for interest in health care in health care experience. So perhaps if you had shadowing opportunities.

Mom or internships or volunteer opportunities in healthcare that can make a difference, but I strongly encourage you to listen in on one of those webinars if you're interested in the BSN MSN program.

So Marcus has a few questions I'm going to answer them all, like hopefully in one answer here. So what we would say is in your first essay you can talk generally about your interest in leadership in the health care arena, but get more specific in your second essay where you really at least now touch upon what?

Civic area might be interested, IE managing people, managing operations, managing quality etc. So at least what you best know today. Recognizing of course that your interest may change after you get further into the program.

Sure.

Jamie, do you wanna just answer his second question about the graduate degree Jiri, requirement waiver since he has an MBA?

So yes, the jirari can be waived if you have a graduate degree with a GPA of 3.0 or higher. Ann, I just want to clarify for the jirari waiver. It has to be a 3.2 GPA for your undergrad or 3.0 GPA for your graduate degree from a degree from the United States or Canada. We don't round up. We don't consider additional cloud coursework, so it is whatever.

Is shown on your transcript is what we go by.

The last part of Marcus is question is also is there kind of Seamless movement between nursing admin in the health leadership programs? Yes, there is. If that's determined as you're in the application process will work with you to transfer to the different program at or. If you discover that most of the coursework you take early on.

Are common in both programs 'cause they overlap in for core courses.

So if you were not sure, we might say OK, great. Start with the leadership course and then take the systems thinking in patient safety course. That score for both. Take the policy core score for both an as we start to explore your interest further an you may we may collectively decide that you're interested in transferring. It's a seamless process since we oversee both programs, so no problem happens, not, you know, not rarely students will change for a variety of reasons.

Uh, let's see the MSN program begins any term.

I mentioned so you could apply to start in the spring, the summer or the fall.

And difference between a professional employer recommendation letter Jamie.

Sure, so employer is your direct supervisor or manager and professional is someone else who knows you in a professional capacity so it could be a previous manager. That's what a lot of people use. Some sort of advisor, coworker someone who knows you in a different professional capacity while we're talking about letters of recommendation, I want to highlight that we're really looking.

For quality recommendations, not name recognition. It is wonderful if you know the Dean or the CNO or an alumni of a program but we would much rather see a quality recommendation from someone who knows you really well and can highlight all of the wonderful aspects that would make you a great student here.

There's a question about particular courses that would be beneficial for a current senior in our back BSN program. Yes, you could take either the leadership course that Megan teaches. That's nursing 748 will be on line with a couple of synchronous sessions, mostly asynchronously this fall. You could take nursing 548.

Which is our negotiations class in the fall that's offered mostly synchronously on a Wednesday like evening synchronously because they use a case study approach and a simulated approach where you act as practice, actually practice negotiating. And by the way, there are a number of undergraduates in that course this year because it also meets the requirement for the healthcare management minor at the undergrad level and the dual degree with Wharton at the undergrad level.

So I think one of those would be a good choice if you were interested in taking a graduate level elective as an undergraduate. That is, in our program, a core course in our program, but feel free to email Megan or I if you have any further questions about that.

I see a question about interviews so.

Typically we do interviews in person, but right now due to Covid they will be done either by telephone or video chat.

Do you wanna take Kimberly's question, Jamie?

Sure Kimberly, I believe you're asking about the accelerated BSN prerequisites so you can email us. Make sure you email either a description or the course syllabus so we can double check on that.

Marcus, his question about VA. We certainly would be happy to work with you on getting into a VA immersion experience. It might take a little bit longer with a lot of the vetting process if you will, so we would just want to know that early, but we do have relationships within the VA system.

So I think we've answered all the questions.

Um?

Do you have?

Couple more.

Looks like Kim's email is related to. I'm thinking Jamie really 'cause she was talking about the prerequisites etc, right Jamie?

Yep, so I will just move to this slide. Will still take some questions since we have a few minutes left, but if you have general admissions questions, please email admissions at nursing.upenn.edu. Sue and Megan's emails are in the beginning of this presentation. Or if you forget them then you can just email admissions and will forward them along.

I how many students are taken and how competitive is the program we have at any given period of time, we usually have about 60 students and the programs that's in combination.

And.

I would say that we're competitive in that we, you know, take a holistic approach to accept the the most qualified candidates. That being said, This is also meant to be very developmental in nature. An I like to think, and I think I've observed that students really grow in the program and.

As I said, reach all kinds of very impressive career goals and are very, very willing to give back and mentor students as well.

There's a question about characteristics that you'd like. We'd like to see in your application. I think Megan would you like to take that.

Yeah, I mean, I think it really kind of varies, but we certainly want to see your interest and career goals even if you don't know exactly what area you want to go in, we'd like to see that you can sort of see the big picture and identify challenges in your current role.

Um, we want you to just have an interest in learning.

I think a lot of our students sort of highlight.

That moment that they knew that maybe a leadership role is what they were interested in because of something they got involved in at work or at school. And that's always sort of interesting to hear. Sort of that story. Our students have even shared, you know, personal experiences of navigating the healthcare system with a loved one and deciding that they want to sort of affect greater change. Jamie sort of mentioned the academic requirements, but we're always, you know, sort of interested to see that as well.

Um?

Yeah, I think that's that's sort of.

And then we get to know you even more so in the interview process.

Yeah.

You want to take the next question too.

Yeah, sure, so there are there are we do have a global health minor and if that's something you're interested in, there are study abroad opportunities and that sort of something we could connect you with. That program faculty. Usually that's something we talk about in your interview when we're sort of working on your plan of study. So if we determine that you're qualified applicant and we do an interview with you, that's really assume mentioned our time. When will.

Sit down here your interests and make a tentative plan of study and if it does come to light that you're interested in a specific minor, that's also a time when we can connect you with that program faculty to sort of discuss it further.

And that really depends your question about the certificates so.

Sometimes a minor or certificate is really valuable, but I typically say only if all the courses required are things were really interested in and want to pursue. I can tell you that we've had students reach out to minor program directores and decide to maybe just take one or two courses in that minor instead of doing the whole minor or certificate. So it really varies case by case on what you're looking to do, what your goals are, and that's something we can discuss.

During your interview.

So maybe you wanna take that one.

I would say the Masters in health quality and safety if you're talking about health quality certification, IE a certain framework for how you approach quality improvement like Six Sigma Black Belt certification. No, because we're not that prescriptive. We're not going to teach you only one one way of improving quality. So those types of certifications.

You can usually required once you're in.

1.

The workforce in some capacity in quality. I will tell you that it goes deeper in that we're also teaching you quantitative methods for measuring quality improvement. We're teaching you how to coach it and lead it so it goes well beyond we certainly teaching you tools for how to improve the quality of health care outcomes or processes. But it's much more than what you would obtain through certification, which is usually tool specific.

Boy Marcus has a lot of questions and they're quite good. Yes, you're leading into or do any of the MSN courses convey to a DMP program.

Yes, they do, particularly if you are in a lot of our program. We share course work with the DMP and it would shorten your post Masters. We only offer a post Masters DNP program to anyone who's not pursuing.

Uh, nurse anesthesia. You know focus.

An yes, some of the courses would transfer into the DMP program an shorten your program of study. We have a number of students who are going right from our program right into our DMP program. An assured in their plan of study by three courses.

The DMP and executive leadership.

Will launch in fall of 2021. The ideal candidate has at least two years of leadership experience and will also have either fiscal management experience or have had graduate coursework in that area. So graduates of our nursing and Healthcare administration program are those that take her minor or even just our accounting course as an elective that would meet the fiscal management criteria. But we would ask that you have leadership experience.

In the workforce, it doesn't have to be in nursing, by the way. It doesn't have to be.

You know, in operations management per say, you could be leading a program. You could be a clinician even who's has a Masters degree. Ann has, let's say, practice, oversight, experience our DMP and executive leadership. By the way, does not require an MSN. It requires a BSN and then you could have a Masters degrees. You could have an MBA. You can have a MPH. You could have a Masters in Healthcare Administration.

Or certainly an MSN in Nursing administration, but it doesn't have to be an MSN, so we do have Marcus. You might be interested with an MBA we have scheduled on October 14th of web and R4 to discuss the DMP and executive leadership track.

Jamie, I'll let you take the next question.

OK.

Sure, well, actually I might transfer it back to you, so typically you'd only need your Pennsylvania license. If you were doing a clinical program. If any of the capstone if a capstone in the Health Administration program requires an RN license, you may need the Pennsylvania license. But Sue all ask you to confirm that.

Yes, you would need to have a license in the state of Pennsylvania by the time you would complete your capstone and before you graduate, so.

You Yeah, Yes, you could apply for reciprocity.

After you take and complete your boards in Ohio.

Hard to say, I would not Marcus. If you if we if you were in our position, would you consider the MSN MBA or any of the other dual degrees if the DMV executive track will be available? Well, I talked about the MSN MBA program, the MBA program. As I told you is as I mentioned, is only at the full time plan of study so I would.

Recommend for those that are interested in operations management or project management or want full exposure to all the different aspects of the curriculum that we shared with you. Then I would recommend the MSN in nursing admin.

If you're interested in different types of leadership opportunities, and.

Wanted design your program of study in a more open way. Particularly, let's say if you were interested in education or quality improvement, then you might be more interested in health leadership program and the DMP and executive leadership. I would recommend only to someone who has a Masters degree and who has the requisite leadership experience.

So Marcus, it would depend on since you do have an MBA, whether you have the requisite leadership experience.

And fiscal management experience, but you would I meet that criteria in all likelihood, given your MBA.

For the fiscal management piece of it.

Do you want to speak to the practicum? It's OK. These are all good questions.

You know, we're happy to answer the questions.

Yes, so the practicum is usually taken in one of the final two semesters of the program. It's about 240 hour's.

And it's typically done with a nursing leader.

In an area of your interest, so you would mention the VA, we would try to pair you with someone in a nursing leadership.

Capacity at the VA. Maybe somebody in quality, if that's sort of the area you wanted to focus in, and essentially you do get time to shadow that individual, but this is not a shadow experience. It's more about completing a project or initiative or portion of 1. So you kind of get to draw in that quality. The business planning a lot of the content from throughout the program to work on this final project and then.

You typically present that project. You write a paper about that project. There's some other small assignments to do during this semester.

And you design some professional objectives as well that so beyond the project, that's what Megan was hinting about in terms of other kinds of assignments are based on what your professional.

Interests are so it may be that you want to observe, let's say how a chief nursing officer runs her leadership. His or her leadership meetings in an organization so you might attend such a meeting and then maybe reflect on that. Or you might interview someone in a role that you're particularly interested in. Then produce a transcript of that interview. Or you might decide you want to delve further into a particular role. As I mentioned, we have the advanced roles course.

In which you do delve into a roll of interest and from really understanding the job market, understanding what skills are requisite too.

Really, how you would even approach, let's say, transition into that role?

People.

However, you may have a couple of rolls you're interested in, and you might want to immerse with one or at least interview different people, etc. So it's a combination of completing project and also reaching some of your professional goals.

Again, getting into the VA were really depend on whether or not you know. It's like I said, it's a It's a process to be hired or vetted so it would really just depend on your background and whether or not they I really couldn't answer that. At this point I can't. I can't give you a likelihood, but I can tell you we would try our very best and we do have a relationship with the chief nursing officer at the Philadelphia, VA.

OK, I think we're going to end there since we are at a in an hour. Thank you again.

To everyone for attending an for your thoughtful questions. Thank you too soon Megan, for a wonderful presentation. Please feel free to email any of us with any additional questions. The application is open now so you can start working on it. Good luck with your applications and we look forward to reviewing them.

Thanks everyone.

Thank you so much.