Pediatric Primary Care NP, Family NP, and Adult Gerontology Primary Care NP Webinar

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Fort Lee, NJ Long Island, New York great welcome everyone. My name is Jamie Bergstein. I'm the associate director of graduate admissions and marketing here at the University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to day to attend this webinar on our primary care programs. I am joined by some wonderful faculty. Thank you. While the track director for the pediatric.

Lyrics practitioner primary care program. Alicia Bischoff, the Oracle site coordinator for the pediatric primary care program you interest in the track lead for the family nurse practitioner program.

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The track lead for the adult Gerontology Primary Care Nurse Practitioner Program, an Jenny Hollis who heads our adult apology program as well just a few housekeeping tips. Um, please use a desktop or laptop computer with Chrome or Firefox to fully participate in the session, and features and audio will not be available on mobile devices or other browsers. We can't troubleshoot during the meeting.

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So today we will be discussing the pediatric primary care nurse practitioner program. The family nurse practitioner program and the adult Gerontology Primary Care Nurse Practitioner Program. An I believe the first person talking is Vicki, so I'll hand it over to you.

Thank you so much Jamie. So this is Vicki. While as Jamie said, I'm track director for the pediatric primary care program of an. I'm delighted to talk about our primary care programs at Penn and drag a little bit about our school. We are.

Um, so proud of our school. I. If you haven't ever been to pen here, some pictures of both the Penn Campus Ann are building uhm, it just underwent $77,000,000 in building renovations. UM, which has been really nice to, uh, when we have an opportunity to work in the building. It's been nice to have that. Well, one of the things that I think that's so neat about the pen nursing school is that it's.

Part of the larger University, all the beautiful history that's on campus. All the programs, the athletic fields, the lecture series that you can be part of. But the School of Nursing itself feels small and intimate and we really.

Especially with the graduate programs, are cohorts tend to be small, so we really get to know our students an we really have the opportunity to mentor them. We are proud to say that for the 4th year, running with a number one nursing school in the world and we are part of some of the top Masters programs in the country.

We're also top ranked in NIH funding. Now we know that there are certain decisions that applicants are trying to figure out in terms of what direction they want to go in what program they want to Cho choose. Do they want Pediatrics versus family? Do you want primary care versus acute an? It's helpful to look at the structure that some leading nursing organizations.

Has created they came together with a collaborative effort, something called the consensus model, and it was a way of getting many different licensing bodies, accreditors certification universities, and educational programs to all agree to certain standardized rolls. Certain standardized education, an common definitions. Prior to that, you know, depending on what state you were in or what.

Uh, program? You graduated from it could mean a lot of different things, and the consensus model said, you know, really everything should match. So your education, your experience in the job that you did should match an looking at what the consensus Miles said. This is the advanced practice registered nurse regulatory model, or euphemistically known as the consensus model, and what they looked at was that there were for advanced practice nursing roles.

Nurse anesthetist nurse midwife clinical nurse, specialist and nurse practitioners and built on that were six populations so family across the lifespan, adult Gerontology, neonatal Pediatrics, Women's Health, gender specific, an psych mental health and then if you wanted to do a specialty like oncology orthopedics, you could build on that.

Uhm, So what, we urge you to do is to think about what population you're passionate about, what role you want to choose.

Looking at um, let's let's go back for a second. One of the things that we often hear from applicants sometimes is, oh, you know, I heard that I want to be a family nurse practitioner because that's going to make me more marketable. But I really don't like kids very much or I don't really like older people very much. And so we really, strongly urge you to think about what patient population do you enjoy that you want to take care of for the rest of your life.

Particularly because you're going to have to if you decide to be family, you're going to have to maintain your certification in patients who are 0, two, 100. So if all you really want to do is take care of young children or adolescents, the pediatric program might be more appropriate for you. So those are things to think about.

Uhm, and then in terms of primary care versus acute care, it's very helpful to think in terms of that. The focus of care is based on patients needs, not the setting. So often people say, well, I only ever want to work in the hospital, or I only want to work in an outpatient setting. It's not the setting there are primary care nurse practitioners who are taking care of stable.

Older adults who have been hospitalised and they're working on their discharge planning an getting them ready to go home.

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And so one of the things that's helpful is a little new monik to help you remember this is thinking.

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In terms of what constitutes an acute care, you need to think about taking care of patients with unstable chronic illnesses. The you complex acute illnesses, basie or critical illness, so it's based on paper needs, not the setting, and then everything else can be cared for in primary Care now, every now and then, that's what the consensus model suggests. There are certain institutions that have made their own rules about this.

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All right?

So just in terms of talking about my program, the pediatric primary care program.

We are director is soo Rennes. She structure of all the primary care programs that will be talked about today. Myself is tracked director and Alicia Bischof who's on with us, whose clinical coordinator for Pediatrics in for both the PNP program and the family nurse practitioner program.

The pediatric primary care program is one of the oldest in the country we've been around since the 70s, and what this means is that we have a very strong alumni network to connect for jobs and to develop clinical sites. There is nothing cooler to me than to find out one of our recent grads got their job because they connected with an alumni in California who was leaving their job.

And they said to their plus, listen, there's This person who's coming from Philadelphia to California. They graduated from Penn's program and we've had it happened a number of times where that alumni connection an that knowledge of the strength of our program has helped that graduate get the job.

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All of us in a primary care or practicing clinicians so that we bring to the classroom. Real life experiences. We know the ends and outs of applying clinical practice guidelines an it really adds a richness to the academic program. I think it may be helpful to talk a little bit about what I do as a pediatric nurse practitioner.

I've been a nurse practitioner. I'll just say for a long time and I've worked in a variety of different settings, but for about the last 18 years I've been in a nurse managed center. Now, if you don't know what that is, it means that it's just myself and another nurse practitioner in Pennsylvania. We need to have a collaborating physician. He's there when we need him and he leaves us alone. When we don't. We don't need him very often.

My population is very under served. I like to say that the local elementary school the parents peaked 44 different languages, so it's a very fun, very diverse population. My Spanish is terrible, but it's better than my Bengali an my Korean an my Egyptian, an my Berber uhm and we really provide what I like to think of. It is comprehensive nursing care too.

Our families.

In terms of our program, there are 12 courses in our plan of study. You can read this off the website. I'm not going to read them to you, but um, there a variety of courses you have.

In our programming up 2 electives so we are encouraged you to take those electives to take courses that are of interest to you. There's a advanced pathophysiology pharmacology physical assessment research child family development and uhm the professional roles issue courses.

And then, um.

We have or clinical courses.

Um, which contain both.

Our clinical courses where we do seminars and we give clinical lectures and then the didactic material that's connected with that one of the things that's really important when you're looking at other programs, asked the question who gets the clinical site for you? And one of the best things about pen is that.

We obtain the clinical sites for you. I I often talk to students who go to other programs and sometimes they have to delay for two or three years because they weren't able to get a clinical site.

UM, I I do want to highlight in terms of our plan of study in June is going to talk in a minute. There's a lot of plan of study options and different combinations, but just to focus very specifically, our program is a full one year program starting in August and going into the following August. But you can also do a two or three year program of if you choose to do the three year program, you'd take one courses semester.

Um, for the first 2 years if you choose to do the part time program, you take 2 courses a semester for the first year. That final year though, when you're taking the last six courses as part of the clinical cohort, those courses need to be taken together an in sequence. So for our program you take 2 courses in the fall, 2 in the spring, two in the summer.

And then you're done. I like to highlight that because sometimes people think they continue and continue to take, you know, just one course of semester, uhm?

And that doesn't happen once you get to the clinical sequence.

So what what do pediatric nurse practitioners do? And I think that you want to focus. We focus on, well, um, child and adolescent care. Taking care of minor acute problems like asthma, pneumonia, ear infections, dealing with developmental disabilities, autism, and other things like ADHD. We do a lot of health promotion and development.

We support families in such a way so that they can really make sure that their child flourish is, and one of the things that I want to say. Often people say, well, I want the family program because.

I want to take care of um, because I I think the family is an important part and realize that in the pediatric primary care program, we can't do what we do without the context of the family. So the family is a very important part of what we do. We have a lot of focus on adolescence as well.

The best part of it to me is developing the long-term relationships and with my job, one of the things that's really fun after being someplace 18 years I've had a bunch of kids this spring where now going off to college that I remember when they were new boards that along time to be connected to that family.

In terms of.

Clinical experiences are students work in outpatient settings or hospital clinics.

Anywhere throughout the Tristate area, so those of you who might not know, Philadelphia geography, New Jersey, and Delaware are literally over the bridge, so they are very closely connected.

And you will do over 500 clinical hours.

For all of our programs. Faculty mentor ship is really important and it's something that I think students really talk about. You have, um, advisors and site visitors and seminar leaders. As I said, our clinical cohorts are small, so we really get an opportunity to know our students and we really love the opportunity to teach.

Um, are.

Um, all of our programs again really help students so that they can practice autonomously. You're a member of a collaborating healthcare team. Advocacy is an important part of our role, an really all of your assignments are geared to scholarly activities, so not only will let you learn to be an expert clinician, but you'll also work on presentation skills as part of our seminars.

So that you can really hone those skills and in the future do presentations either locally or nationally. Our students work on a project for publication. They work on poster presentations and there's a lot of focus on research. So here is an opportunity. We went with a group of students to Harris Burg were, uhm again, those of you in Pennsylvania know that we're trying to get full practice authority.

And, uh, we were able to talk to our our legislators.

Um?

Some some of the journals that we've had articles published in, but really our focus is to have a well rounded nurse practitioner. Uh, I'm not going to spend much time talking about the global health minor, but there are opportunities to have a global experiences. Again, some of the primary care posters that our students produced at the end of the program.

All of our students are eligible both for state certification in CRM peas and national certification by the pediatric nursing credentialing board in primary care.

An the thing that you want to know is you know where do our graduates practice. So in pediatric primary care, they're going to be working in federally qualified health centers. Hospital, an outpatient clinics, doctors offices. We've had students who have worked in the Legislature to put forward some laws. An advocacy have been involved with grant funded programs like healthy weight programs.

Programs like that.

A few of our students at the end of the end of the program, an on Alicia. Was there anything that you wanted to add that I maybe didn't talk about? Alicia Bischof, our clinical coordinator.

She may be.

Did you hear anything I had to say?

I it sounds like Alicia is having trouble unmuting. I hope that you heard me. I just had this moment of panic, but maybe people couldn't hear me.

Um, June do you wanna take over for the family nurse practitioner program?

Yep.

Jamie, I'm are you there? Alicia can hear me. You can unmute, uh?

I'm here, uh, for hosts. If you hit the broadcast button, that's how you can talk and.

If you click the.

Microphone so it's green, you're muted if it's Gray, you're unmuted.

Can you hear anything I can take over? Feel free.

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Kate, are you able to come come on or you can you hear anything?

I'm sorry to hold everyone up. Let's give them a second to see if they can get connected and if not, I'm happy to take over. We work very closely with the family nurse practitioner program, so I'm happy to fill in.

Anything?

That we need.

Jackson acted and if not, I'm happy to take over. We work very closely with the family nurse practitioner program. Uhm, so I'm happy to fill in.

That we need.

Jamie, are you still there?

I'm still here I'm.

Yeah.

OK, I know there have been some pretty violent storms. Ann, I know early on I kept getting bounced of- uhm.

I can finally talk now. Can you hear me?

Ah, good, only should jump in.

Yes, OK.

I had the I had to actually log out and log back in there. I kept clicking on the on the mute button and on the chat and nothing happened. So for all the other people who can't. Perhaps if you log out and log back in, it might be helpful.

'cause I was typing away and nothing was happening. So anyway, just to add what you were saying before just as bad as far as the clinical sites. I know you said we find them all, but I also want it. Just say a little bit of other logistics. People often come to Penn because they think they're going to have clinical and Hopper at shop and just to verify the OR clarify that that is not necessarily the case. We find our clinical sites within the Tristate area being Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey. Excuse me Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Delaware, which really and truly. If you're not familiar with the area.

Those three states are within like a, you know, a 15 minute drive on campus. You can be in those three states, so you actually could have this clinical site much closer to you in New Jersey. Then your colleague who might be in Pennsylvania at another site. That being said, remember these are primary care programs and that's the reason why our focus is not in the hospitals because we're looking at primary care sites. Both hop and chop do have some primary care locations, but a lot of our sites are out in the community and they're not necessarily associated with the hospital. So I just wanted to bring that to your attention as.

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From June or um, Jenny or Kate, are you available?

So it sounds like I apologize for having some technical difficulties. This is the point at which we have our students chant. Flexibility is the key to mental health. Uhm, I know there's some wild storms going on right now, so there may be some issues, so I'm a lot of what the next couple of slides I'm going to. Just highlight some things for you. Uh, the other two. Uh, primary care programs are the family.

A Nurse Practitioner Program an the UM adult Gerontology program, which also has the oncology minor connected with it.

Um, in terms of, uh?

The.

The faculty, as I said before Sue Rans is the director overall. The primary care programs, June, hopefully will connect at some point and talk to us.

Anki to Mutus is director of the adult Gerontology Nurse Practitioner program, and then they both have clinical coordinators. So again, I just have to emphasize its unusual how much clinical practice our faculty are involved with across every primary care program will have clinical practice.

All right?

I think that this is an important point to suggest and that is, you know this is not one of these weed out programs I know. Particularly like in law schools. A lot of times they'll you know they'll try to get rid of people we really believe if we have a spot for you, Anne, we accept you. We believe that you will be successful in our program an we are there to support you. The I hope our our students will agree that our faculty are very iaccessible up.

An you know were there to support you.

One of the, uh.

Things that's now available are peer advisors that match some of the, UM, students with a more experienced students.

Um?

And I think you know what's the difference again between pediatric.

Students, an family students and that is that family nurse practitioner. Students want to take care of patients across the lifespan. 0 two 100. They again like we do. They focus on health promotion. They focus on individuals and patients are generally stable, but all of us advocate for patients, families and communities.

In terms of Gerontology, the focus is more on.

On patients with complex como comorbidities and the frail older adult so they really can help the patient and caregiver, um, navigate the health care system.

And I talked a little bit about the study options. Uhm, the family nurse. So while the pediatric nurse practitioner program is it, full time is 1 calendar year. The family nurse practitioner program is 18 months. Uhm starting in August and going to the following December. Jamie, can you China? I believe adult gerontology. I know they started different, but are they 18 months as well?

Uhm, I believe so. They are, yes.

OK.

Now, in terms of practice recommendations, one of the things so in terms of the family and adult Gerontology program, they strongly recommend that all students have one year of our inexperience prior to starting there MSN.

What in the primary in the Peach primary care program we really an. I think all of the programs look at your application. Holistic Lee. OK, so if you have things on your application that demonstrate a level of maturity, you know a prior degree work experience, research experience, leadership experience. Those are things that are really important to us when we evaluate your.

Um application. What we do know is it's hard to be advanced practice nurse if you've never been a nurse and you're learning curve is not as steep. If you have some nursing experience, we do find that preceptors tend to prefer students with our inexperience, and it does make you more marketable when you're done. But we've also had, as I said, some very mature students who have had some very interesting experiences.

Uhm, I think well.

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that was Kate, I think.

OK.

I don't know if I didn't hear me.

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We can hear you.

OK, I had to relog off relined. Back on, you know, I apologize. It just wasn't working so OK.

Yes, so we're up to the electives. If you wanna talk a little bit about that. I don't know if you want to catch up to the to the slides.

I mean, I wasn't I was off, but that's fine. I'm sure that you did a great job. I mean, all three of our programs work so closely together, so you do have one elected in the SMP programme. A lot of a lot of students choose to use that toured a minor, but we have health policy, oncology informatics, you name it, you have the opportunity to do that.

You say go on to the next slide. I'll hear it, yeah.

OK, so we have UM 672 clinical hours and we do our clinical from January to December. We have it blocked out in three sections, which is a adult. Older adults in the summer than we do adolescent, younger adult and in the fall we do pieds courses in clinical. So basically it's 16 hours a week of clinical from January to December you go all summer long.

You know we have a short break between semesters, like maybe a week or two, but there's really not. It's kind of A.

You know one year program and if you are full time you will also be taking additional courses as per your plan of study.

I also I know Kate or you.

Is Kate in the disabled to talk or she also unable?

So Kate and I also put outside. She probably is having audio issues as well, so K communis is the director of the adult Gerontology program and their plan of study is 3 semesters of clinical. So they have the same number of clinical hours and it's 12 courses. We have 14 in the family program to very similar, very similar in the capacity that you doing. Kind of all about 16 hours a week.

I'm so both the agent P and the FM P share a focus and the entropy and the MPI should include as well. All of our programmers really focus on health disparities. I work in low income, inner city emergency room at Cooper hospital for 30 two years and most of that time since 1992. I've been a nurse practitioner in the ER, so work with a lot of Opioid.

Addicted patients and homeless and mental health issues and we have a lot of faculty that have experience and work with homeless patients. And really, I think you're going to get if you're interested in health disparities, you'll get a really good clinical mess and also a good faculty mix that have a lot of knowledge. We also have courses on prison, have a lot of speakers that come to talk about adverse childhood experiences. We really try to focus on trauma informed care in the way we approached.

Most of our patients try to consider their life experiences and how trauma impacts their presentation and their present health, so that's of interest to you. I think you would get a lot about a lot of programs.

There are multiple minors available. The one thing about the miners I would say across the board is that you need to finish those before you start the clinical of any of our program so.

Most of the miners are gonna be about 3 to 4 courses, and if you're doing a full time plan of study for the family nurse practitioner, you would have to come early to do work on your miners. We do have one elective you could use towards minors, but you really can't do the minor at the same time you're doing the full time plan to study for any of these programs. You just can't fit it in, but we highly encourage you to do minors. I don't know if I'm Jenny Hollis from from college until she's logged on.

But if she's going to come chat a little bit about the oncology minor, which is phenomenal. So definitely do minors. Just keep in mind to try to get those miners out of the way if you're going to come to our programs full time.

Uhm, I think Vicki did a great job talking about this. You know all of our prefectures are seasoned nurse practitioners? Are physicians? All our faculty are seeing patients. We find your site, so I think that we wanted the things that we really take a lot of pride in is the quality of our clinical placements annuar experiences?

Hum, I won't go over everything, but we usually do, especially in family. We use urgent care. Emergency Department fast tracks also obviously primary care internal medicine practices.

Some specialty practices we can let you have hours if you're really interested in a certain cardiology or anti or derm. An home care practices I know for the Gerontology program they do use, you know.

Nursing facilities long term, nursing facilities and such as part of your clinical experience as well, we do that a little bit in the family program. Not as much, but if you're doing a gerontology will definitely get exposure to long-term care.

Patience and elderly in terminology patients in those settings.

And just like that, he said, you know, most all of these programs aren't Lucifer boards. I don't believe on this. Speaking by saying that we all have 100% pass rate, so that's.

That's always important when you're coming to program.

I'm in a couple of things. I go over quickly 'cause I think Vicki also did a great job going over these things. We do have two opportunities that you submit for publication. One is a policy editorial and then you do an integrative review so that we really want you to get experience like submitting for publication. Obviously our main focus is getting you to be a great clinician, but I think if you come to Penn you're coming to really get prepared as more than a nurse practitioner were considering. The fact that you're.

Going to be leaders in the health care arena, whether that's in policy, academics you know, leadership on a clinical level running, you know, working with clinic patients, or with staff. So we really want you to have some experience with the things that you would do as a leader and one of the you know you're not grating on when you get published, but we want you to understand the process of submitting for publication as a first author, and you'd be surprised.

You come to Pingu. Most students are great writers, so to leave pan with the first author being a first author on a publication is really great, but even if you don't, you understand the process of how to submit something that you wrote to a publisher and kind of working on that. And that's more of the focus than anything else. So just some of the some of the pieces that with their students have been published in. We also do presentations. We do poster, right? We have a poster presentation day that they get alluded to. There's a primary care presentation.

And that you do a poster with you know, and get to present that and then a lot of our students get accepted at the national conferences for their poster presentations. So I guess that's a third opportunity for publication. But or, but we have to do is you prepare the poster an you submitted for publication of the conference. So that's another another piece I did talk a little bit about reducing health disparities. We do have United Community Clinic, which is a unique interdisciplinary pan bed clinic through the medical school, the nursing school, the school social work.

And a lot of our students volunteer there. We have really great people up and doing policy work, incarcerated. We have. We have a great course on a course oracion that you actually go into the prison system and work with patients. We have clinical site and faculty that work with migrant an immigrant health and then obviously don't have the global health minor, which is a great program and gives you an opportunity to work abroad again if you want to do that, you do have to work, you have to do those.

Abroad pieces before you do the full time program here and then, you know it's pen we are, you know we have a high number. The highest number of grants from the NIH, and we're doing a lot of the faculty are doing the research here. They welcome students. So if you have faculty that are doing important research that you want to work with, not within these programs specifically but at the School of Nursing, there's a chance to do that. And often they come to classes and I'll share the research which hasn't been published yet.

So it's really great to pick up journals or read readings from for your class that were written by faculty here at our School of Nursing, so I think that's always exciting.

And I, I think this is like a forum here that that some of our faculty are presenting. We worked interdisciplinary across the school.

Our policy and and health policy insurance issues public insurance. So it's really a collaborative experience and I think something that's really unique europeenne

just breeze through these last few. So yeah, we do have one of the oldest schools here and we're very FM. Pretty program started in 1973, but these are.

You got the peas, I believe started even before that, so we have been doing this along time so we really take pride in what we do as far as or, you know, the curriculum that we teach and the pieces extra over that that we teach to really get you to be a leader when you leave here.

We do have a big commitment of diversity here at the University of Pennsylvania. If you follow pen at all, you've seen like a lot with a lot of what's going on in the country. Adjust an emphasis on the commitment to diversity here. A pen which we've always had, but you know really, is a great birthday from that perspective.

Vicki went over this as well. You know, Upenn Grad is, you know it is a really a different grad then maybe a lot of the programs out there, and I think that that employers recognize it and you know people understand the rigor and the training that we have in this program and they value that. So it definitely definitely puts you in a nice position when you start looking for job lifelong connections. You're an alumni.

You have career services for the rest of your career here, and we are, you know our alumni group is pretty tight and we value panel bomb, so it's kind of nice wherever you go in the country. I'm looking at the chat box and I see there's people all over the country on this on this video call, so I think that's amazing and that is reflective of what else in the classroom is a lot of diversity as far as coming from all over the country and also international students. And you know it.

It's an opportunity to challenge yourself. I mean it, I think it. Here's a picture of me with my recent grads at our little graduation party. But yeah, I think that you know, it's it's not going to be super easy program as far as but it's going to be. I think it's going to challenge you not in, not in a way that you can't do, but in a way that you're going to learn so much and feel very prepared when you come out to do clinical practice. So I think that what you get here, a pen, the quality.

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I'll turn it over to Jamie with that.

I'll turn it over to Jamie with that.

OK, thank you. I think Kate Your.

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I also want to highlight Jenny Hollis put in the chat her email. UM again, I apologize for the sound issues. Technology is great until it stops working, but if anyone has interest in the adult oncology program, we will have a webinar on that and some other programs in the in September and hopefully the sound issues will be better.

But please feel free to email Jenny Ann Cates also put her email in there as well. We do have some nasty storms coming in through the Philadelphia area so that I think has impacted some of the sound quality. But thank you everyone for again being flexible and sticking with us. I just want to remind everyone of the application deadlines for this coming year. If you are applying to the accelerated BSN or BSN MSN program. Your deadline.

Is October 15th annual here in mid February, the MSN programs have different deadlines based on one you're applying and if you're applying full time or part time.

If you're applying for part-time spring that deadlines October 15th. If you're applying for full-time, either summer or fall, it doesn't matter that deadline is November 2nd.

And if you're applying for a part time summer or fall, you have until March 15th, 2021 to apply. If anyone here is a current BSN student applying for sub matriculation. If your BSN senior your deadlines November 2nd and if you ran a BSN student or BSN junior year deadline is April 1st. Aside from the accelerated program which follows a traditional everyone here is at the same time our MSN programs they have.

Some specific deadlines, but you'll hear back on a rolling admissions process, so you might have friends or colleagues who are applying to the same program as you, and you might hear at different times. That's OK. We've listed the latest time frame that you'll hear by.

We also have additional webinars coming up, so if you are interested in other programs, will also have general admissions webinars for the accelerated BSN programs. The MSN programs and the nursing anesthesia programs that will focus on missions, tips and tricks in a little bit about financial aid.

And now we will move in two questions. So if you have questions as to type them in the chat box and we can start answering them.

Can you hear me baby by any chance?

Yes we can.

Wonderful, this is Jenny Hollis. Um, I'll just while this interested applicants or maybe typing in their questions, I do want to join my colleagues and welcome everyone. And thank you for their interest in the Penn School of Nursing. Just I don't want to take up some of our precious time, but I do really encourage interested applicants when they're looking at various educational institutions to really kind of see.

Um, how these other institutions are set up to provide depth opportunities? So what type of electives would they be able to offer? How many of those electives might be able to be rolled into very interesting miners, such as the adult oncology minor? You know, the informatics or the autism or global health? I mean, there's just an incredible number of miners, and I do think that is something really important.

As individuals are considering their options, I won't take up much of the time, but my contact information is there. Please feel free to reach out to me whether or not you're interested in oncology, or maybe you just want to have some general discussions about minors at the School of Nursing. I'd be glad to take your questions and work with Jamie to get you to the to the correct faculty members, but again, thank you for your interest in good luck as you pursue all your wonderful options.

Thank you Jenny.

So I can answer the 1st three questions which are all about.

Distance learning so our MSN programs are typically on campus due to the coronavirus classes are online, however, simulation and Clinicals are in person, so I would encourage you to plan um to attend classes in person.

I don't know who else can can here or can or can't talk at this time, but this is Alicia Bischoff, a man I can tell you that many of the classes, even when we're offering one because occur, but that we're doing them online. A lot of them are simultaneous synchronous, so we're doing the live sessions. Some of them are in synchronous sessions as well, but but we are trying to have a mix with it and actually like the more the smaller seminar sessions were actually doing that more.

Um, synchronously, so that we're still trying to build a nice community with our group of students and be able to answer questions and have more of a dialogue.

And this is Jenny Hollis at all. Just share that. The adult oncology specialty minor actually has been offered in a hybrid format for were probably in about our 10th year. I do want to in some of the other miners are looking at in our fairly well along an offering some of their courses in either it completely online or in a hybrid format. And again this was pre covid.

I do also want to acknowledge that the School of Nursing has six substantially supported the development of our instructional technology Department and they have been incredible colleagues so that were really able to provide very high quality online or remote learning. If courses are being offered in that format. And again, that's pre covid an post Cove it.

That we're really fortunate to have that resource.

And and typically this is Alicia. Again, typically the pieds, the family and the adult programs are all in the classroom. There is no online component to those classes, typically speaking outside of this has not been a typical here, but usually there are. There is no online classes offered.

So this is June Trust and I don't know if everybody can hear me. I can answer the question about deciding between the FN P&P&P track. If you're feeling torn between the two.

And I would say that I think Vicki emphasize this as well. If you know if you really love kids but you just want to make yourself marketable by being enough MP, you should just do pieds. And if you really feel like you love doing adults but you the same reason you're like, I better get that peed section, then you should just do adults. But if you really have a desire to work with families across the lifespan, and it does open certain pieces, like if you have an interest in urgent care or.

Emergency medicine fast track. Because you can't do acute emergency medicine as in a primary care program, but you could do like a walk in fast track of process as a.

You know, probably care trained and paid so.

Those two exceptions, if you're really interested in that, then families good, but in general I would not.

You know, take family just to be marketable. Or if you know there's a certain population that you're not interested. I don't know if that helps or not.

And I then sticky again. I just have to throw in about the marketable, you know, you'll hear people say that I I want to just get everything I can so I have the opportunity to be more marketable. Our students are highly sought after an we find that they are.

They get jobs that it's not an issue that they you know you want. I guess I look at it as this is something that you're going to do for the rest of your life, so you should pursue the patient population that you're passionate about. I've been a nurse practitioner for more than 30 years because I love every day that I go to work. Um, so I think that that's a really important piece.

Thank you.

And I'll just add from an admissions perspective.

Um, we've all been doing this for a while, and I can tell as someone who reviews all the applications I can tell when your hearts in it or when your heart's not in it. So, as Vicki and June said, really think hard about the populations that you want to work with because it'll show in your application.

I can also answer the next question. How many credits are transferable for another from another MSN program? I see there are a few questions about that you can transfer up to two courses. However, transfer credit isn't guaranteed and it's only evaluated after you're offered in mission.

Do you wanna comment Jamie on the GRE question as well?

Yes, so the question is, I know that Jerry is a component of the application process. How much of the GRE scores is taken into consideration? So first I just want to emphasize that the GRE is waived if you have a 3.2 GPA or higher for your undergrad, or if you have a Masters degree a 3.0 or higher up. And that's from the United States or Canadian.

Institution, so you might already be waived from the GRE if you do need to take the Jirari, we find competitive applicants score in the 50th percentile on all sections. We have a holistic admissions process, so while the GRE is 1 component, it is not the most important component, and we're looking at all aspects of your application. So it is taken into consideration, but not more or less than any other part of your application.

I think we missed the question about can you pursue research during the Masters program.

Uhm, does anyone you want me to answer that or did someone else want to?

Hello.

OK, I'll answer it. Uhm, one of the things is June alluded to that there's a lot of very interesting research that's going on here at Penn, an uhm. Many students have had the opportunity to get employment as work study students both at the School of Nursing or at some of the surrounding hospitals. Those of you who don't know much about Philadelphia, it is a healthcare mechoso, right next to campus. There's both. Children's Hospital, Philadelphia.

Hospital of University of Pennsylvania. the VA hospital Ann Presbyterian, part of half and an so the opportunities they are to be involved with research.

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I'm here, I don't have any questions about the program here.

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We can hear you.

Sorry, I'm not sure on a little nervous now after that.

Options one of the questions about gender related Karen the FNP program. So we I think we we definitely have good integration. All of the programs have content on caring for patients and gender transgender. We have one of our.

One of one of our preceptors is also an expert in his field. Comes and speaks to the group, but he also takes students so we have a couple of clinical sites that that takes students and they, you know they provide care to that population and a transgender population. We also incorporated in our lectures and clinical cases, so I think it's a good deal of that already. Incorporating, I would say that for all three programs.

Hum.

There is also a question about the FM P program starting earlier, so all of the programs have a start date.

The program it is in August and the other program start at different times of August as well for PNP, but if you want to come part time you could start anytime and just take a class or two or a plan of setting. That's part time, so yeah, but you could. The clinical for MP goes from January to December and the coursework that accompanied it is can't be changed, so you can kind of shuffle around some of the other courses, take them part time.

Yep.

But like you can't start clinical with their first clinical rotation in the fall or the summer. It kind of builds upon the courses build upon each other. So it's important that they're done in that sequence so that you received the appropriate support as you move along with your cohort. I'm trying to see if there's any other questions out. There was a question.

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So Jamie, there were a couple of questions about uhm.

That were related to admissions. I think that got lost that can international students apply to primary care NP programs at Penn.

Yep, thank you. So yes, international students can apply to our programs. You would need to apply for full-time enrollment. Um, if English is not your native language, you will need to submit the Toefl or the Ielts. We accept either test. You'll need to have your transcripts evaluated by Wes or CGF&S annual. Also, if you are.

License if you have an RN license in your practicing outside the United States, you'll need to take the CGF&S exam that states that your license is equivalent to AUS license that can take awhile, so we recommend international students start with all of that at least a year in advance. There is some information on our website about where to go. I'll also type in the name of the exam. It's the CGFNS.

Certification exam.

And and Jamie, do you want to answer a? If I'm unsure of what specialty track to pursue at what point during the program do I have to declare? Or would you?

I can answer so you have to declare from the beginning. Uhm, so I'm not sure if you're in a BSN student or an MSN student, so if you're a non nurse applying for our BSN MSN program, I recommend if you're unsure. Just applied to the accelerated BSN program you can apply to your MSN specialty at while your current student.

Then you might become more informed as you do the program. If your current nurse applying to our MSN program, you do need to select at time of application.

So I would again.

Think back to Vicki and junes advice about deciding on a concentration beforehand.

Turn.

And I, I think that juniors two questions. I think we both should probably answer that are very much related. UM, one is do you recommend working while pursuing a Masters degree? A man, then the other one is, uhm. I just finished my BSN and I'm interested in starting my Masters as soon as possible. But I understand the benefit of working um, I'm happy to start or June if you want to give your viewpoint and then I'll give mine.

I'm sure that's fine, I I think that all of us would probably answer very similarly in the capacity that we really, highly highly recommend that you work before you start the program, and that doesn't mean that you couldn't come part time and take classes as a part time student while you work. I've been teaching here for 22 years. I know that Vicki's got me beat on that one, but I think that I've seen students that have a clinical experience and.

Don't have clinical experience an the students I don't really do struggle. I think that the preceptors an the and even your future employers kind of want you to have some experience. And I don't say struggle like they can't pass. I just think that they struggle 'cause they just don't have a really strong nursing foundation to work from. So I would highly encourage anyone who wants to come to the program and doesn't have experience to come to either take a little time off or just come part time so that you could work.

While working, you know still take a few classes, but by the time that you store at the clinical component, you've had at least 12 months of actual nursing experience. And to apply an again there, having students without nursing experience that have been successful, you know, I just think that you're going to have a better experience. Personally, if you have that nursing experience before learning to be a nurse practitioner, because it's a foundation of knowledge that you really can't learn in school.

I don't know if you how you feel like if you want to share your thoughts.

I echo exactly what June says, but the other thing that I think that's really important is that, UM and not to sound like we're scaring people off, but the program is very intense. You know, for the Peach program, it's a one year program. Many other comparable programs are two years, so you're doing.

It is, uhm?

Very intense. We once you start the clinical sequence. You're doing 20 hours a week of clinical, a full day of class for every hour that you're in class, you need to consider a minimum of four hours of preparation time. We really want you to be prepared so we have a lot of cases that you have to write up. We have modules we do a lot of hands on activities and quizzes, and you know, are we regularly hear from our students. Yes, the program was really intense.

But I felt like I was so prepared when I got out. But to do that you really need to give yourself time an I think, uhm, we understand the economics of meeting to work. But whatever you can do to cut back on your um, employment time will make you more successful. The same of having some experience of your learning curve is just not as steep. If you can build.

On your experiences in our end, so you know what an acute patient looks like, you know, uhm, you have time management skills you feel comfortable talking to patients, and all of those things just build on the experiences that you have.

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I take up on the question at 21 of them is.

Uhm, I guess a general question was you know how recent does a nursing experience have to be? I don't think that matters as much because that foundational knowledge of knowing when somebody sick and the critical thinking skills. I don't know if that's so dependent on it being really recent. So if it was if you've been out of clinical practice for a few years, I still think that you hold on to that knowledge.

Another question about part time. So if you're part time, you really can start anytime. It's not like part timer start in January. You just make up a plan of study that's going to reflect the coursework. That's not really intense clinical peace, and you could start any semester with that. Taking one or two classes on once you get accepted.

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The Program I think that just in general, what makes a strong application, I think that Jamie touched on the fact that we do have holistic admissions, which sounds kind of crazy, but we look at everything, not only your grades, or if you do your jeries what those scores are. We look at your recommendation and also a lot about community service like what have you outside of what you've done as a nurse. Are you active in the community? Maybe you?

Participate in like health health programs in community or you know, teach classes or do outreach. Or maybe you were someone who is able to do some international work or all of those things. Also, play into our decision but so don't get caught up on one piece of your application 'cause we do kind of look at everything, your essays, your references, what you've done outside of your clinical experience or your work experience so.

So, so it's really the whole the whole picture.

These things that's really important to me is do you have clear cut goals, you know? What do you hope that you will do with it? Not that I finished my BSN and now I don't know what I want to do the next step and have you done anything to demonstrate that, um, those goals are really what you want? Have you had shadowing experiences? Have you had community experiences?

So that you really know what you're getting into.

And I'm just gonna just said I feel that with Vicki, I think the most important thing is to really know generally where you want to be so you know, acute care versus ambulatory care outpatient an icee ambulatory 'cause it could be in the ER at work it could be in an urgent care such, but I don't think you need to know specifically what you want to do. So in other words, you know I work in the ER, have tons of my like 5 students with me each semester.

You know, a lot of them go in and they want to do traditional primary care and then they spend time with me and they're like, you know, maybe I want to. Do, you know, fast track? ER, maybe I want to do this. I don't think that you have to really know the exact job you want once you graduate, but you do have to know like I don't want to do acute care. I want to do this patient population and I think you'll be exposed to a lot of things that you might end up in primary care. You might be end up and maybe a specialty care or emergency fast track. I don't think that you have an answer for that is as important as having.

A goal of being, you know, an advanced practice provider with, you, know a certain population in a certain setting.

If that helps.

There are a few questions I can answer and that was all really wonderful information. I know that's a popular question, so I appreciate all the great information you provided.

Just to emphasize about the part time option. So again as June said, you can start in the spring, summer and fall and competitive applicants are invited to an interview an usually in that interview is where you would discuss your part time plan of study.

Um for Sophie Juniors and seniors in their traditional BSN program can apply to some matriculate into an MSN program that is correct. There is some some matriculation information on the website if you just search, submit regulation. That document will come up or send us an email and I I can send that information to you next question if we wanted to visit the campus. How much more different will our experience be in the next few months versus last year?

All Well, you really can't visit campus right now. Um, I'm sure you could walk around campus, but you unfortunately could not go into any of the buildings right now. We really can't even go into the buildings without permission. So unfortunately, I would encourage you to hold off on any visits until things are a little safer.

I just wanted to add about about the part time option till I can't remember it was if it was mentioned in this session or the earlier session, but you know really when we think about full time and part time your last year is going to look your clinical year is always going to be multiple classes.

So for the family and for the Pide, students are going to be taking two classes a semester. I don't want to speak for the adult, although I think it's similar. You'll be taking two classes this semester, even if your part time with part time means is that you get all of your non clinical courses done before you enter into that last year, which is your basically all your clinical components. So when you can take this other classes and if you're going to do minors or other things that you want to take, have an interest in taking those classes.

That's what part time essentially means that you're getting all those other classes done so that your last year you just concentrating on the two clinical classes in the fall semester, the spring semester in the summer semester before you graduate.

There's a question about getting, shadowing, or volunteering experience. During the pandemic. I don't know if anyone has some advice.

This is.

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Go ahead.

God, Becky, you can do it.

No, it's just been incredibly hard and an for everyone. It just seems like there's so much need out there, um?

An you know people are dying to do some volunteering. There has been some some volunteering with contact tracing. There's also been some initiatives with veterans. Uhm, you know, an opportunity to check in every day with them just because they live by themselves and their elderly. But you know, in terms of shadowing like a primary care nurse practitioner.

It's been very, very difficult. We want to get our patients in and out as fast as possible. Uhm, I don't know. Um, cater, June or Alicia. You have other suggestions.

This is Jim and I think that I think you're right in the capacity that there's not really enough PPE to have, like people that owe you so an I think for safety concerns is just a bad time to get that shattering experience, but hopefully you know things. I do think shadowing is a great opportunity, usually to really get a flavor of what you know what a certain provider does or what the settings like. And now it's just hard right now, but hopefully things will slowly get back to normal, and if you do have an opportunity to do that, I would highly.

Suggested I see a question here about how many applicants do we accept. So most of our cohorts are between are about 20 to 25 students, and you know which is fairly small when you compare that to other programs, and the entire 100% reason for that size is clinical sites. Again, we spend a great deal of time doing getting clinical sites. Alicia Beach up on this call. She does a clinical sites for the entire school.

And she, you know we have. Do we have individuals for each program? But she helps coordinate coordinate it. But we really want you to have a great clinical experience, and that there's not. There's not a million sites that can do that. So for that reason, we do have a smaller clinical coord just so that we can assure that you got the best experience. We don't want to use. You know, using experience that you're not going to really find find noticeable learning. Now. I know other schools you.

Find your own clinical site at I you know, I work in the ER with a lot of nurses that are in different programs and they've been allowed to shadow or resident around and that's considered their clinical hours or their rolled in acute care programs and they're doing their clinical at urgent care. So I think they are, but that might be great. You're getting your hours, but how are you really preparing to really go out there and be an independent, competent nurse practitioner? So we put a lot of value in that, and that's why our cohorts or small.

Just to maintain that extremely good clinical experience that we want everyone to have.

OK, I think we covered all the questions asked. Does anyone have?

Any last questions?

I will just advance to the next slide if anyone has questions after the presentation. Uhm again, please feel free to email faculty again. I do apologize for the sound issues, but we're all more than happy to answer any questions you may have or feel free to send your questions to admissions at nursing.upenn.edu and I'll be happy to answer them.

Jenny, not sure if you're still on. There's a question. Is the oncology minor across the lifespan? I believe it's just adult oncology, but if you want to expand on that.

No, I'm still here. So the adult.

Specialty minor is specific for adults, so young adults up through the.

The older adult, we certainly have a number of students who participate in either one or two of the courses from the FNP program may be taking them as an elective and maybe like one additional course if they're in the FM P program, they would really have to complete the third course. Usually as a postmaster student, and for the adult Gero.

Primary care program. If the students are taking it as a part time, they are able to complete all three courses, usually in a plan of study.

We do require clinical in an oncology setting an we are able to collaborate with the adult Gero primary care program in at least have some of those hours kind of overlap so you would be in an oncology clinical, but it would be.

Typically more of an ambulatory practice, and so that at least some of those hours would be able to count for both programs, but it would be really focusing on the adult program.

And as far as the Pediatrics go on, you know the the pediatric acute care program does have an oncology track. An all of the pediatric oncology sites go to that program, so there are no oncology sites available for the pediatric primary care program. Like I said that it would all go. It all goes to the specialty oncology track, which is part of the pizza Cute.

OK, well again I just want to thank everyone for attending and thank you too. Alicia, Jennie, June, Vicki and Kate for your time. Um again, you have our contact information. Please feel free to email if you have any questions and you'll get this recording and a few days. So thank you very much and have a wonderful day.